Fred is talking about the manufacturing industry and wants to see more incentives for hiring in the manufacturing industry. He says we have the highest penalty taxes.

Chris Mathews is asking J

ohn McCain about the 50's and 60's when someone could get a job in the shops after graduation. John McCain says we can't go back to those days. He is talking about the issues that us here in Michigan care about, like health care and taxes. He is talking about job training programs.